I am going to post Biblical evidence of why the pre-tribulation rapture teachings are wrong, if not dangerous, to the people who believe in that idea.
To begin with, Paul tells us in 2 Thessalonians Ch 2: 1-3
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
So, we see that the Day of Christ will not happen until the anti-christ is revealed. This will not take place until the abomination of desolation:
Matthew Ch 24: 15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
With this alone I am convinced that a pre-tribulation teaching is wrong. Yet, there is more Biblical evidence. But first, I need to show you powerful relationships between certain chapters in the Bible that relate to the latter days:
Daniel Ch 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Relates to Matthew Ch 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
When is this great tribulation our RISEN LORD JESUS mentions is Matthew Ch 24:21, after the abomination of desolation in Matthew Ch 24:15. Which, you can relate to 2 Thessalonians Ch 2:1-3.
So, we see that we will enter in the Great Tribulation period.
Now, let's take a look at Revelation Ch 11:15-19
This is the Seventh Trump, the last trump:
Now, lets take a look at 1 Corinthians Ch 15:52
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Notice how Paul notes the 'last trump' (7th Trumpet in Revelation Ch 11) and that the dead shall be raised incorruptible (Revelation Ch 11:18).
Now, let's relate this back to Daniel Ch 12:1 before we move on:
We see here that there shall be a great tribulation and that at that time 'thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall found written in the book'. Now, notice how the time of trouble is mentioned before the people written in the book of Life are delivered, it's not vice-versa.
Now, lets take a look at 1 Thessalonians Ch 4:16
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Now let's look at the verse carefully: First, we see our LORD descending from Heaven with a shout (Matthew Ch 24:30 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)
Then we see the voice of the Archangel (which I believe is Michael: Daniel Ch 12:1 1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.)
And then we see the Trump of GOD (Matthew Ch 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1 Corinthians Ch 15:52 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Revelation Ch 11:15:And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.)
And then we see the dead in CHRIST shall rise first (Revelation Ch 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Matthew Ch 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Daniel Ch 12:1
Nowhere have I read that we the GLORIOUS APPEARING of our RISEN LORD JESUS CHRIST takes place before the great tribulation period begins.
Let's take a look at the Book of Joel Ch 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
let's reference this to Matthew Ch 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
So the idea of an 'immenent ' rapture is wrong. We see from the Prophets in the Old Testament to the the teachings of our RISEN LORD JESUS CHRIST and HIS apostles in the New Testament that certain events have to take place. We do not, by no means, no the hour nor the day, but our RISEN LORD JESUS CHRIST tells us in Mark Ch 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
I had a preacher tell me he believed the rapture takes place in Revelation Ch 4. our RISEN LORD JESUS CHRIST plainly tells John in Revelation Ch 4:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; Ch 4 is not the GLORIOUS APPEARING of our RISEN LORD JESUS CHRIST.
You can reference Revelation Ch 4:Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Yet, Matthew Ch 24:30 does not take place until after the abomination of the desolation which you can reference to Daniel Ch 12:1, 2 Thessalonians Ch 2:1-3. Matthew Ch 24:15.
So for me, the idea that the rapture takes place in Revelation Ch 4 is wrong.
I have given you scriptures to prove my points. What worries me is that when the time of great trouble begins, all those that believe in a pre-tribulation idea may begin to wonder what is happening and may fall away from the LORD because they are not prepared. I have had people tell me we won't be here, we'll be raptured. This is a false safety blanket. Maybe the truth is pastors are scared to accept the truth and preach the truth? Maybe people just don't won't to hear the truth?
Now, where do we go from here? You need to study the book of Matthew Ch 24, Luke Ch 21, Mark Ch 13, Revelation, you need to read the Prophets, you need to understand and prepare yourself.
Did you notice in 2 Thessalonians Ch 2:1-3 that Paul tell us there will be a falling away first? Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Why? Why a falling away? And in Mattew Ch 24:10-12 we see And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And in Matthew Ch 24:15 we see the abomination of desolation take place. So you can see a strong and powerful relationship between the Mattew Ch 24 and 2 Thessalonians Ch 2.
It's not up to me to convince you. You must, alone, pray and seek discernment from our HEAVENLY FATHER THROUGH JESUS CHRIST our RISEN LORD. Don't just accept why the churches tell you. Read your Bible, our FATHER GOD'S HOLY WORD, for yourself, study, make the connections. Don't walk blind. I have made this simple because I'm not a fancy preacher writing books and wearing a fancy suit. I'm a simple and humble man. GOD BLESS, you. And I beg you, if you have not accepted JESUS CHRIST our RISEN LORD into you heart as your LORD AND PERSONAL SAVIOR, please, i beg you, do so now. Send me a message if you don't know how and i'll give you my cell phone and we can pray together. Please, if you do not know JESUS CHRIST as your LORD AND SAVIOR, say this prayer now:
DEAR LORD JESUS, i confess that i am sinner and need you to come into my heart to forgive me of my sins and become my LORD AND PERSONAL SAVIOR. i believe that YOU and YOU alone died on the Cross for me and were Risen from the Dead on the Third day by GOD our HEAVENLY FATHER. i believe you are the only Begotten SON OF GOD. I need you, JESUS, desperately, to come into my life and save me. Please, JESUS, come into my heart and become my LORD and PERSONAL SAVIOR, bring me into your heart and hold me there forever. In YOUR HOLY AND PRECIOUS NAME i beg and pray this, Amen.
Romans Ch 10: 9-10
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[Amen, Paul. Check out what I saw on the net:]
PRETRIB RAPTURE SECRETS
How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven (He's now there with the Father) “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. ("The Rapture Question," by the long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn't dare to even list, in its scripture index, the too-hot-to-handle Acts 3:21!) Since Jesus can’t even leave heaven before the tribulation ends (Acts 2:34,35 echo this), the rapture therefore can't take place before the end of the trib! (The same Acts verses were also too hot for John Darby - the so-called "father of dispensationalism" - to list in the scripture index in his "Letters"!)
Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The "rest" for "all them that believe" is tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who'd be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the posttrib end of “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which is Israel's posttrib resurrection!)
Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this "rapture" was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” ["gathering"] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!).
Other Google articles on the 182-year-old pretrib rapture view include "Pretrib Rapture Politics," "Pretrib Rapture Scholar Wannabes," “Famous Rapture Watchers,” "Pretrib Rapture Diehards," “X-Raying Margaret,” "Edward Irving is Unnerving," “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” "Walvoord Melts Ice," “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” "Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Thieves' Marketing," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," and "Christ's return is NOT imminent!" – all by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (see Armageddon Books).
Marylee, thank you and GOD BLESS, you. All the way up to September 2010 did I agree with a pre-trib idea, and then our HOLY POWERFUL LORD GOD sat me down and showed me the truth. I didn't go to any preacher, the LORD sat me down alone, where i opened HIS HOLY WORD and HE showed me the truth. Many don't believe this and i won't try and convince them in tiring debates. I wrote what i felt the LORD wanted me to write, and the rest is in HIS MIGHTY POWERFUL HANDS!
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